seth ([info]sopostmodernist) wrote,
@ 2009-01-10 18:15:00
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Interrupting the usual emo crap for something important
When you rob students blind, mark up textbooks and readers over 30 dollars and have crap re-sell policies, this is what you get. Students are poor, or if they aren't, it's still galling to know that mandatory textbooks are selling for 8-10 dollars less than average at a retail store than a university-run bookstore. With three textbooks per course in a school year, that's around 300 dollars more out of our pockets than it should be. That's just for political science. For engineering and medical science students, textbooks can add up to a thousand dollars, on top of their actual tuition.

I've never actually photocopied textbooks, not out of principle, but out of laziness. I'd rather buy used textbooks on student-run exchanges than at the U of T bookstore. I don't recommend doing what is illegal -- I believe it's always best to be on the right side of the law -- but when such blatant highway robbery is being committed, it's hard for students to patronize the bookstore without this nagging feeling (in the wallet, particularly), especially when it means the difference between skipping meals, doing well in a class, or crawling back to the financial aid officer to up OSAP payments.

I personally don't know what can be done, and I've been fortunate so far that I can either afford the books or have a friend who I can borrow from. But more pressure needs to be put on these university-run bookstores; although we understand it's a business, they are also a business for poor, starving students and when even professors refuse to sell their course packs because they deem it to pricey, like how my English prof sold it out of his office instead, it's time for the student body to propose solutions or put pressure on the bookstore or the university administration to reconsider royalty fees, or subsidize the bookstore and such.

I don't think illegally photocopying textbooks is the answer though, even if in reality it saves money and symbolically it's a huge middle finger to the publishers/bookstores: it only drives textbook prices further up and the cycle of exploitation continues.

Now brb while I procrastinate from reading my textbook and instead, read my friends page.






Understandably copying is intellectual theft, however the price of new books is excessive and difficult to afford for many trying to obtain a better life through education. To add insult to injury I personally have purchased textbooks required for courses and throughout the term the instructor has never even openned the book once! I am not referring to inexpensive books, but $200 texts plus accompanying workbooks. I since have discovered that I could buy used current edition textbooks from the US amazon website for a fraction of the cost, and since have seldom purchased new books.



My biggest problem is with the new "editions" publishers put out every every year or so. These texts offer little or no new content but reorganize the text so that a student using an older edition cannot follow along. This eliminates buying/selling of used texts and forces students to buy the new edition each year. The publishers offer incentives to university professors to use the new editions each year. Add this to the fact that profs frequently list books they've authored themselves as "mandatory texts" - without actually using them in class, and think that students' ethics are not the ones that should be put into question.



I'm an engineering student who routinely purchases textbooks online. For example, this term I required an updated electronics text which my university's bookstore was sold for $190 tax. I was able to buy an international edition (exactly the same text) for $20 shipping! Some might think that I bought an illegally copied text over the internet. This is not the case. North American publishers routinely sell the same product to overseas students for a heavily reduced price. These publishers hide behind our copyright laws, so they can charge us a fortune. The problem will only be fixed when publishers start to charge a reasonable amount. Profits would increase because fewer students would be photocopying, buying online texts, and downloading e-books. I have no sympathy for Access Copyright, publishers, and bookstores. The government should be protecting us from this corporate greed.



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[info]wingspread
2009-01-11 02:35 am UTC (link)
Almost everyone prefers to have their books and readings photocopied here. Even the library allows having entire books photocopied. Just don't let the author catch you -- one gay professor reportedly screamed and threw a bitch fit when he found his students photocopying his entire book in the library. He later wrote in a new edition of the book, "like a lioness saving her cub from a pack of hyenas."

Anyway, the professors just leave the original text in their favorite photocopying station inside the campus and we just get our copies when we need them. Besides, those hardbound colored books are way too heavy to carry around.

It's a cheaper alternative to those low-price editions (newsprint, paperback) that the big US publishers sell to poor Asian countries like the Philippines (and somewhere in the cover it's clearly stated that they should only be sold to poor countries so that they can also have access to ~knowledge~).

They're cheap at around USD10-20 per title, but why buy one when you can just have the entire thing photocopied and binded for only USD5? I don't really see the point in spending a lot on books that aren't even used in their entirety for a non-major course.

Those who actually buy the books (just to give the impression that they're really serious about the whole college thing) sell their copies when they're done with the course. The student council in my university organizes a book sale/swap at the start of every semester.

Only problem with the low-price editions is that the illustrations are not colored:

The red bar represents the marginal increase in profit, while the blue and green bars show the deficit levels during the period.

The yellow spots show the areas undergoing chemical changes caused by a decrease in the amount ethyl trioxide (blue) and a gradual increase in the acidity of the phosphate (red).


Okay, I just totally made up the technical terms and I don't have any idea what those meant. What I did for a chemistry course was that I went to the library and colored my black-and-white illustrations based on the original. It was one of the lowest points in my university life.

Wow, long comment. This is practically an entry already.

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[info]sopostmodernist
2009-01-11 08:15 pm UTC (link)
Oh those big US publishers and their ~generosity~. Our student council hasn't organized one like that so far, it's actually a student run organization called SWOL that does it, so maybe I'll try to help organize a student swap for next year...

LOL at your examples though. I have no idea what they mean either, but that must have been SO frustrating.

What do you study in university/do they teach in Tagalog but the textbooks are in English?

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[info]wingspread
2009-01-12 01:01 am UTC (link)
The council even holds a Physical Ed uniform and equipment sale/swap. Yeah sports was mandatory. Boo.

I majored in Communication. "What's that?" my parents would ask. Didn't concentrate on a particular field (i.e. TV, film, media theory, advertising, journalism etc.), though.

Almost all courses (except those under the Filipino language and literature department, of course) are taught in English.

Some professors from the History, Theology, Philosophy departments in my university opt to teach in Tagalog and other regional dialects. It's a bit of a mindfuck because the readings are combination of English and Tagalog texts. It's not simply a matter of direct translation; it's more like being able to switch from 'thinking in English' to 'thinking in Tagalog'.

I sort of hate studying but I love discussing matters in the academe. Woo!

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[info]sopostmodernist
2009-01-12 02:15 am UTC (link)
Were courses taught only in English at your university though? My impression of the Philippines was that the well-off could afford English education for their kids...would that make university truly for the intellectual elite? Here in Canada -- seriously -- anyone can go to university, I don't think I've ever had to work hard to get in and I have a feeling getting out only requires me to do bare minimum (I of course will not do the bare minimum, I want to do something with my degree...)

Communication is interesting, and it applies so well to our information age, etc. It'll come in handy for the rest of your life (unlike, I'm guessing....Women's Studies.)

Some Tagalog I do know:

Mahal kita, kuya Vittorio!

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[info]wingspread
2009-01-12 02:55 am UTC (link)
Everyone can get a tertiary degree here, but the name of the school matters more than a having diploma. There are lots of colleges, but there only three or five excellent universities. The rest are just cash cow diploma mills. Higher education is a joke in this country; the government does nothing to regulate the industry, if I may use that term.

You're right: only the well-off could afford a decent English education in the Philippines. It starts with the upper-tier private elementary and high schools. Their graduates have a better shot at getting into the top universities, which ensure a good well-paying job after graduation and a pretty nice social network. But to give credit to these good colleges, they have high and fair standards for admission and financial aid.

English is the default language of instruction for the university level in the country. Teaching higher knowledge in Tagalog and in regional dialects requires intensive academic focus and research. And only the top universities can do that. My university is known for its spirit-crushing Tagalog Philosophy program. I almost got kicked out twice because of that department.

Aww mahal din kita, Felix. *yakap*

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[info]semicolonshift
2009-01-11 04:28 am UTC (link)
I consider myself fortunate because as an art student I only have to buy books for a few courses..money I spend on art supplies is fulfilling so it doesn't bother me. I've also seen friends struggling with buying books because of outrageous costs/waiiting for OSAP to go through..and it isn't fair, because as you said, in reality they should not cost that much.

What's worse is that if you try to sell your book back to campus stores, you're hardly reimbursed. It's only worth it if you manage a student-to-student transaction. Blehh.

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[info]sopostmodernist
2009-01-11 07:36 pm UTC (link)
Ugh, I know. My friend got back 18 bucks for a 200 dollar textbook one time? And they sell it back for 10 dollars less than the original price. IT'S OUTRAGEOUS.

I've always wanted to be artistic and buy arts supplies lol tee hee.

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[info]boy_a_la_mode
2009-01-11 04:35 am UTC (link)
Just study tremendously hard to make it worth spending so much. That's what I did :-)

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[info]sopostmodernist
2009-01-11 07:35 pm UTC (link)
Well that is certainly one way to look at it! :D!!! What did you study in university?

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[info]boy_a_la_mode
2009-01-12 12:01 am UTC (link)
Counseling.

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[info]startmystatic
2009-01-13 06:06 am UTC (link)
I guess it doesn't hit me as hard since most of the stuff I have to buy are novels. But I do understand where you are coming from - I know someone who bought a $70+ American politics textbook that will become obsolete in the next year because it covers the US election.

Also, does U of T have a student-run bookstore? Carleton has one a block off-campus that's owned by our student government. We get 80% of what we consign to instead of getting 12 bones for a $58 stupid film textbook at the on-campus bookstore.

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[info]wakethewretched
2009-01-18 11:59 am UTC (link)
I had no idea this was happening. I just figured everyone just bought new or used textbooks. Tells you just how little I know about university in reality. Ugh. D:

You know, students are trying to learn. The university system has got to do what it has to do: facilitate the learning experiencenot hinder it. I admire that you want to do something about this. I'd help out if I was in your school. :[

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